- ![[Byron Katie - Procrastination is just another word for guilt]] - [[Marie Forleo]]: “If I stop arguing with reality, aren’t I going to become passive? Like won’t I lose the desire or the ambition to act?” So Katie, what do you say to someone who might have that concern? - Byron Katie: That the opposite is true because we’re removing the clutter that keeps us from moving fearlessly in our lives. The extreme opposite is true. It’s like, if I’m going to… I’m walking down the street and I see maybe some trash beside the road and it’s on my path and I have the thought, I should put it in the bin. There’s a bin in my site, a trash bin, and I’m walking, I think I should pick that up and everything’s there for me to follow through with it. But then my mind says, “Why? It’s not my trash. It’s not fair. I don’t want to interrupt my steps.” The mind. But if we question those thoughts, there’s nothing in our way from doing the right thing. - So this is about the end of fear that keeps us, the end of the fear that keeps us from doing what we know to do in our hearts. And we don’t lose. There’s a law in this. We always gain. It’s just a law. I love to say, when you think things, life cannot get any better. It has to. That’s the law. It’s just are we noticing or not? What keeps me back, what holds me back from my heart’s desire, the thoughts I’m believing––thinking and believing––that talk me out of doing what’s right. - Marie Forleo: Like I could see my own thoughts as you were giving that example, Katie, seeing trash, let’s say on the ground as I’m on a walk or on a run. I could hear my mind instantly spurred up like, “Oh, people shouldn’t litter so much. Right? Who is thinking, why aren’t people taking care of the environment?” Like I could hear really common ideas and they come at us… - Byron Katie: Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes, and if everybody did that, no wonder the world is such a mess as I walk by the trash or run by the trash. - Marie Forleo: That’s exactly right. - Byron Katie: Yeah. So why do people throw… leave trash on the ground? Well, why do I leave trash on the ground? I’ve got every excuse in the world. That’s why there’s trash on the ground. If each of us were more aware, it’s not just a privilege to in this… in the scenario, it’s not just a privilege to pick up the trash, but it literally is a way of growing us, getting in the pattern of doing what’s right and the end of procrastination. - Marie Forleo: Yes, absolutely. - Byron Katie: Procrastination is just another word for guilt. - Marie Forleo: Yes. Yes. You know, you all often have answered that other question of someone saying, “Well gosh, if I just don’t resist what is, am I going to lose my desire or ambition? I love that you’ve asked, can you really know that that’s true? And also this notion of which is more empowering. I wish I hadn’t lost my job or I lost my job, now what intelligent solutions can I find right now? I think this whole notion that you share about not resisting what is- - Byron Katie: Yeah, I lost my job. What can I do from here? It’s magical. - Marie Forleo: Yes. - Byron Katie: Because the only way I could lose my job is there’s a better one in the store. But if my mind’s at war with itself and at war with the world, then I’m depressed. I can’t even get out of bed. I’ve got a decade to prove how powerful these thoughts are and when they’re questioned on how the enlightened mind, the body follows. (Interview Podcast with [[Podcast Notes Byron Katie with Marie Forleo]] by [[Marie Forleo]]) <https://www.marieforleo.com/2020/02/byron-katie-4-questions/>